Drummer, audio engineer, driver to hot chicken restaurants..... Chris Hickman..... This dude is one of the best friends I've ever had. Not kidding, friends. It brings me a lot of joy to share this rich and wandering conversation that I was able to record with Chris, in the very room that made most of this year's songs possible. I love the Hickman's story, I'm thankful that Jenn and Chris let me crash in their home and take weekends to make music, and I really hope that you'll get encouragement from this chat about change, adaptation, and wanting to see meaningful art live. Chris also did a great job describing his journey into understanding his personality more, I enjoyed talking to another person that relates to the personality of the 6 on the enneagram (see the recent Michael episode). Chris is a courageous human, I hope you all get to chill with him someday. Also, Chris plays video games foolishly, you'll hear what I'm talking about towards the end. Okay. Try things that are challenging, folks. Peace to you!