Buckle up because today we've got a doozy of a story about Sam Ciavarella's origin story and fear of flying. You're in for a treat with this one...but maybe don't listen on a flight!

Interviewer: Max Kirkham

Interviewee: Sam Ciavarella

Editor: Sara Fisher

Producer: Max Kirkham

Music: Joshua Hendricks

Artwork: Lauren Cierzan

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