Pastor Nate has a conversation with New York Times best-selling author John Burke. They talk about life, ministry, his studies of NDEs (near death experiences), and what lead John to write the books “Imagine Heaven” and “Imagine the God of Heaven.”  There are many key take aways for Shepherd-hearted leaders such as the importance of following the Spirit, having an evangelistic heart, and trusting God who takes away the fear of death. Burke encourages us to know that when God puts something in our heart, we can trust him as we step out in faith and do it.