In this episode, we speak with Michael Yang, who is working at the intersection of circular economy, education, and organisational design.

We talk about what actually happens when change is attempted inside real systems, why so many strategies fail in practice, and why the key to transformation may lie less in processes and more in human intelligence.

A grounded and honest conversation on leadership, pressure, and creating real impact where it matters.

Host: Shiva Ahmadi

Producer: Hülya Afat

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