Isaac has a popular article out called "If Trump is Impeached, It Might Be the End of America" (https://medium.com/@IsaacSimpson/if-trump-is-impeached-it-might-be-the-end-of-america-b7a2243399b7), and that serves as the core question of the podcast: would Trump's impeachment and removal from office cause his supporters to "check out?" Today's guest is writer Seth Goldsmith, and he and Charles probe Isaac's thesis. Also discussed: the perennial question of whether Trump has any plan for governing as well as Seth's film Night Owls (https://www.netflix.com/title/80091636). Music: www.bensound.com