For this episode of Perpetual Notion Machine, we share a special segment of a new podcast, called In a Perfect Policy, produced by Catalysts for Science Policy, or CaSP. The interview is from the first episode of the first season of the podcast, both of which–episode and season–focus on impacts of STEM on underrepresented groups, and features Jo Handlesman and Derrick Smith from the Wisconsin Institutes for Discovery (WID). The interview by CaSP’s Jenny Bratburd and Caitlin Warlick-Short covered barriers to women and minorities in STEM, data bias, impacts on underrepresented groups, and efforts underway to right the ship of academia.

Find more information about the WID, CaSP, and In a Perfect Policy.