This conversation originally aired July of 2023, after I'd read a piece in the Washington Post about a Hartwell, Georgia baptist preacher who was bucking the Southern Baptist Convention (the church has since left that organization) and welcoming all who sought to worship there.

He's (several times now) offered prayer at Hartwell's annual pride celebration, and welcomes with a message of acceptance for everyone seeking refuge to worship.

After weeks, now, of Harrison Butler-talk, it's ironic Grant reached out to me last night and sent a photo from this year's Hartwell pride with the message that read: "Hey Ron just wanted to share a picture from this years pride in Hartwell…we had about 20-25 from the church to attend this year to support. We fully left the southern Baptist Convention..instead of open doors we just took them off..hope you are doing well and thanks again for having me on the show with you…hope you are doing well."

You can see that photo on my Instagram .