Dr Rika Preiser is a senior researcher with the Centre for Complex Systems in Transition at Stellenbosch University, and is the course convenor for the module in Complexity and Systems Thinking in the Postgraduate Diploma Programme in Sustainable Development which is hosted at the Sustainability Institute. 

In this first episode of our new podcast series "In Conversation With" Dr Jess Schulschenk, Director of the Sustainability Institute, chats with Rika about the concepts and ideas that underpin complexity and systems thinking, what is emerging in the field of complexity, what research questions Rika is excited about exploring, and what books she is currently reading. 

For more on Rika's work and publications please go to https://www0.sun.ac.za/cst/person/rika-preiser/. 

The books Rika refers to in the podcast can be found here: 

Brian Arthur - The Nature of Technology: https://www.amazon.com/Nature-Technology-What-How-Evolves-ebook/dp/B002ISDCKW

Robert Johnson - Transformation: https://www.loot.co.za/product/robert-a-johnson-transformation/lycn-189-g140