The latest in the series of Jericho Conversations podcasts finds Jericho founder Robert Phillips in thoughtful discussion with Indy Johar, widely celebrated as one of the UK’s foremost system designers and thinkers. This is not a recession, argues Indy, but a trigger-point for a much wider systems re-set that challenges centuries-old orthodoxies of economics, politics and leadership. There is an urgent need for true leadership to emerge beyond just the reactive nature of what we have seen in the crisis so far – because “not leading is not an option”.

Indy is an architect by training and the creator of multiple Impact Hubs. Dark Matter, his latest venture, is a field laboratory focused on radically redesigning the bureaucratic & institutional infrastructure of cities, regions and towns for a more democratic, distributed great transition – with offices and teams advising governments in Canada, Sweden and South Korea as well as the UK. Indy brings a truly global perspective – and scenarios and future models – to the current crisis.

Jericho Conversations is one of a number of initiatives that spontaneously emerged during the first COVID lockdown – part of a determination to use moments of crisis to pivot towards a better, fairer, more equitable and sustainable future for all. By popular demand, we have reignited the series to help find surprising and refreshing solutions and insights into a world in constant flux. Each conversation – led by an expert speaker – is designed to keep Jericho communities engaged and thinking about “what comes next?” for business and society.