Cathleen and Eshaan are in conversation with Prof John Denham, former Labour MP, Cabinet Minister and current academic. He is chair of the English Labour Network which is a campaign group advocating for English identity, devolution and representation within the labour movement. We discuss Englishness, our political system and what it was like to be a Labour Minister.

If you are interested in his work or campaigns you can follow John on Twitter @JYDenham and see his blog the optimisticpatriot.co.uk. To learn more about and support the ELN go to their website englishlabournetwork.org.uk.

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Credit to Leyton for our brilliant theme music, you can find more of his work here: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5EoEk5ulYJgi3F56orFFWb?si=78tQvMSHTIWOStzMQET7uQ

[Edited by Cathleen]