To kick off this next chapter of The Mic & Ike Podcast, Isaac sits down with someone who has shaped his walk, his foundation, and generations of his family — Reverend Thurmond Tillman, pastor of the historic First African Baptist Church of Savannah, the oldest continuous Black church in North America.

In this rich, heartfelt conversation, Rev. Tillman shares wisdom on navigating uncertainty, protecting your peace, mental health, the weight and calling of pastoring, and why the church still matters in a world full of viral moments and skepticism. Isaac and Rev. Tillman also dig into sound theology, community, entrepreneurship, criminal justice work, and what it truly means to live out your purpose.

There’s laughter, storytelling, truth-telling, and a fun round of “This or That” you don’t want to miss.

Welcome to the beginning.

Opening Sermon: Bishop G.E. Patterson