There is only a day to go until the next SNP conference where discussion will centre around the issue of a de facto referendum as the next step on our journey to independence.

Indypodcasters Fiona and Marlene chat to Greg McCarra about our current situation of planning a de facto referendum and how it has arisen. Greg offers his own perspective on preferred options going forward.

Greg is a veteran Independence campaigner and Trade Unionist, he is Chief Executive of the Scottish Independence Foundation and Co-Convenor of hte Scottish Independence Convention. He is also an executive member of Yes West Lothian and Convenor of Almond Valley CA

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