In September, Armenians celebrate Independence Day and also mourn the anniversary of the ethnic cleansing of Artsakh. CivilNet’s Eric Hacopian and historical sociologist Georgi Derluguian reflect on the loss of Artsakh on September 19, 2023 — what it destroyed for the Second Armenian Republic and why we may now be entering a Third Republic. They then turn to geopolitics, the westward pivot, regional decline, and the human cost of war, including Armenians held in Baku. The episode explores scenarios for Armenia’s future and what survival might look like. #CivilNet #ՍիվիլՆեթ