The curator of the Cage Match project and host for this podcast, Ariel René Jackson, interviews Mukhtara Yusuf, a Yoruba-Nigerian-Muslim designer and scholar whose work focuses on decolonizing design, sustainability, alternative economies and design in the global south. Their interests explore the relationship between science, code, Ifa, and colour in order to bring Yoruba epistemological knowledge production into dialogue with Western scientific epistemology. On this episode discusses their Yoruba design framework and approach to Western design. Yusuf talks us through the problematic confinement and destructive nature of Westernized design. How can we insist on Indigenous traditions of design in a world that understands technology as Western specific? Follow Mukhtara Yusuf at www.instagram.com/mukhtarayusuf/