Dr Deasy Simandjuntak discusses with Fulcrum editor Julia Lau her analysis of Indonesia's foreign policy goals and direction post-G20 in 2022 and in advance of its ASEAN chairmanship in 2023. Other topics they talk about are Indonesia's regional leadership, the planned new capital of Indonesia, and Dr Simandjuntak's future research projects.

Dialogues at Fulcrum is a podcast published by the ISEAS – Yusof Ishak Institute. For quick reference, the themes below were addressed during the podcast:

1:07 – Indonesia's foreign policy

4:47 – De-escalating situation in Ukraine and examples of Indonesia's approach

5:18 – Myanmar crisis: ASEAN's reactions and the Five-Point Consensus

7:48 – Options available to ASEAN regarding Myanmar

11:40 – Indonesia as a middle power

17:20 – Planned new capital of Indonesia, Ibu Kota Nusantara (IKN)

27:08 – IKN as a "smart, green" city

28:30 – Potential issues regarding inequalities in IKN and in-migration

35:45 – Dr Simandjuntak's next research goals