This week, we welcome Referee Jake Clemons to the show! Jake tells us how one becomes a referee, we discuss the importance of what a ref does in a wrestling match many don't realize, how undervalued they are when cutting corners in indy wrestling, and what happens when a ref gets too involved, including a story with Bobby fish and Matt Striker.

Michael Sorg (@sorgatron) and Eamon Patron (@eamon2please) also continue the conversation with the latest controversy with women wrestlers bleeding, and talk upcoming shows from Renegade Wrestling Alliance, Ring of Honor, and more!