One big takeaway of the 2020 election is that America’s electoral map is changing. Democrats are becoming more competitive in the South and Southwest even as they work harder to secure wins in the Midwest. The victories in those two states were no great surprise to Steve Phillips, a political donor, and author who has spent years talking about how to mobilize new voters of color and win more elections.

With his wife Susan Sandler, Phillips invests in grassroots work through the Susan Sandler Fund, a philanthropy the couple created last year. Phillips is the host of “Democracy in Color with Steve Phillips,” a color-conscious podcast on politics, and also the founder of Democracy in Color, a political media organization. His new book, How to “Win the Civil War,” will be published this fall. Host David Callahan spoke with Phillips on what the Democratic party and its donors need to do to build a new American majority.

Inside Change is produced by David Callahan and Kayan Tara.