In this new episode of The IWP Podcast, Professor John Quattrocki is joined by Paul Kepp, a former senior CIA operations officer with deep experience in the Directorate of Operations and a career shaped by years of overseas service. Together, they take a serious look at how the United States rethought counterintelligence after 9/11 and what those reforms mean today.

The discussion covers the rise of the DNI, the origins and purpose of the National Counterintelligence Executive, the debate over who should lead the mission, and the growing focus on strategic, national-level counterintelligence. It is a sharp conversation on policy, structure, and the future of U.S. counterintelligence led by two voices with real depth on the subject.