This week on Messy Growth, Mick Griffin returns to the show and this conversation goes deep into one of the hardest challenges in SaaS:👉 When do you build something new inside an existing company?Mick is leading growth at Traffit, one of Poland’s fastest-growing ATS platforms, and recently helped launch Smart Jobs, a standalone hiring platform designed to fix one of the most broken parts of recruitment: the candidate experience.We unpack:

• Why most SaaS companies think too small about expansion revenue
• The difference between a feature and a new business
• How to launch “startups within a scale-up”
• Why recruitment still treats people like numbers
• The hidden operational risks nobody talks about
• Why most innovation bets fail and why that’s okay
• How founders should think about timing, risk, and momentum
• Lessons from Brand24 and scaling in SaaS
• Why candidates are becoming the new PR risk for companies
• How Smart Jobs was built with only 2 new hires
• Why founders confuse activity with progress
• The mindset required to keep innovating without fear

Mick also shares:This is a conversation about growth, experimentation, expansion revenue, hiring, SaaS strategy, and building things before you feel fully ready.If you’re building a SaaS company, scaling a startup, or trying to figure out what comes after product-market fit this episode is for you.