In this edition of the Food Systems Podcast, Alex Turk talks, during an interview at this year's Forum for the Future of Agriculture Annual Conference, to Jurgen Tack, Secretary-General of the European Landowners’ Organization. Jurgen explains how at the conference we hear a good mix of possibilities, from market instruments like carbon farming and biodiversity credits to the role of subsidies and profitability. However, profitability is often lost in the discussion, but it is the most important aspect of any farming activity in Europe. He believes that we have to start thinking about a longer-term system with less subsidies and higher profitability for farmers.