This week's guest is the brilliant Tim Hopper. He's a data scientist with brains and brawn in the operations research domain. We speak with him about the new internet security world and the algorithms on which it relies. Matt was kind enough to highlight that since we're a zero indexed show we have hit our quarter century mark, though we're still going to celebrate our 25th birthday next episode. We've got some cool non-sequitur ideas in the show notes for you this week.