After a short micro-break, Katie returns with author, lawyer, leadership coach, and all-around light-maker Karen Walrond to celebrate the joy of being an INTENTIONAL AMATEUR. Instead of hustling every interest into a side-gig, Karen invites us to dabble for the love of it — no end game required. They unpack why hobbies matter, how to find ones that actually feel like relief, and the seven attributes that make play a true self-care practice.

IN THIS EPISODE WE DISCUSS:

• Why Karen resists the "be better" subtext of self-help when it comes to hobbies
• Reclaiming the word "amateur"
• The 7 attributes of intentional amateurism
• Why it's okay (and healthy) to stay mediocre and never become an "expert"
• Dabbling vs. committing, and how to notice when something is life-giving hard (stretch) vs. depleting hard (pressure/perfectionism).
• and more!

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SHOW NOTES:

Get the book: https://www.chookooloonks.com/in-defense-of-dabbling

Karen's website: https://www.chookooloonks.com/

THE MAKE LIGHT JOURNAL on Substack: https://chookooloonks.substack.com/

Join us in NYC on 10/14!

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Karen on the WANTcast talking RADIANT REBELLION

Karen on the WANTcast talking about THE POWER OF NOT KNOWING

Karen on the WANTcast talking about BEING YOURSELF NO MATTER WHAT

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