We start this interview by talking to Ivanti CISO Phil Richards about the major security concerns he hears from customers, the CISO of the year awards, risk management, and identity and access management. Then...things sort of fall apart. McKay and Steve almost get in a fight with cowboys on stilts, our CMO rides by on a bike dressed up as E.T., and McKay attempts a weak churro analogy. You can't make this sh*t up.