In the final episode of the Unstoppable Changemaker podcast, we talk about the fourth stage in the Unstoppable Changemaker framework,  interdependence.    Deborah and Backygul describe that this is the way the world actually works. Humans have created an artificial environment where things that violate natural laws can appear to be successful, whereas in reality we are all connected and we are all one.    The mantra of stage four is “we are all one”, and the lesson is that anything we do is to ourselves. If we do something hurtful, we are doing something hurtful to ourselves, and if we do something positive, we are doing a good thing for ourselves.