On todays show our guest is Steve Jones, a renowned British geneticist and author of The Serpents Promise: The Bible Interpreted Through Modern Science (Pegasus, paperback June 2015). Jones is an atheist—he even won Secularist of the Year—but he thinks the Bible has some historical information to offer us. He doesnt buy that the Bible is completely myth or metaphor; in fact, he says hes more of a literalist when it comes to biblical interpretation than many believers. Later in the hour we talk with contributing editor Emma Bryce about the Colosseums death elevator, which was recently reconstructed.

Music this hour:

“Elle va au Japon” by Nic Bommarito, from the album A Quiet Age

“Soldiertype (militarised)” by Ketsa, from the album What’s Without’s Within

AcidJazz by Kevin MacLeod, from the album Jazz Sampler