In this episode my interview with Professor of American History, Beryl Satter helps if you've ever had this thought: I know racism and making money explain black urban poverty but I don't really know how it happened.

In addition to being an expert on historical and current draining of black wealth in American cities, Beryl more recently co-founded the Queer Newark Oral History Project and continues to teach at Rutgers University.

Finally, the Same Rock Podcast just doubled in size because Justin Anderson, a student at Columbia College Chicago studying photojournalism, has joined me and will be an ongoing Contributor. Justin is also interested in presenting pre-news, post-history or whatever we are up to! Stay tuned for more from Justin in the future.