In this episode, Amira Rose Davis interviews sportswriter Dave Zirin about his most recent book "The Kaepernick Effect: Taking a Knee Changing the World," which tells the stories of athletes and teams across the country who contributed to rising tide of political action through sport. They also talk about what it has been like to write about sports and politics in this moment, the impact of celebrity and cultural capital, and the joy -- and pains -- of coaching your kid’s sports teams.

This episode was produced by Tressa Versteeg. Shelby Weldon is our social media and website specialist. Burn It All Down is part of the Blue Wire podcast network.

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