Dr. Carrie Brown is the director of the master’s program in Social Journalism at The City University of New York. I called her up recently to discuss a Medium essay that quoted one of Carrie’s students, Mekdela Maskal: “Journalism doesn’t have to be a story.”

It doesn’t? The transformation of (many) journalists into storytellers is one of my obsessions here at Towers of Babel, so I asked Carrie to help explain how and why social journalism strives to place less emphasis on Story.

(Thanks to Carrie for her insights and good humor… and for taking the time to talk with me.)

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