Robert Martin, one of the founders of MennoNerds, returns to the podcast to talk with Steve Kimes. Some of their topics includes:

* Robert’s departure from social media and recent partial return (1:52)* Social media interaction and real interactions (11:05)* Putting up a front or avatar on social who will generate likes and similarities to putting on a persona as a pastor (19:06)* Recapping the story of Heather’s cancer and death (21:53)* How Robert and Heather’s daughters have been processing (33:12)* Pastoral vulnerability, including on social media (34:58)* Where Robert goes for support (39:34)* Practical and emotional support (42:10)* Experiencing stages of grief (44:50)* What kind of media does Robert turn to when he needs a break (48:20)

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