This episode, Lou and Lenny allegedly talk about the last instalment of the Wraith Squadron Trilogy, Solo Command (1999). In reality, Lou is losing their mind over the status of Montreal’s public services and Lenny is possessed by the ‘average Tik-Tok creator’ who is seemingly unaware of the industrial revolution.

Trigger warning timestamp 1:18:11-1:33:11 for discussion of Unit 731/Nazi medical experimentation. 

Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos 

Music: Thomas Seibel

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Further reading:

Skyline Dip 

Tyler the creator cooking a waffle

So You Just Gon' Bring Me a Birthday Gift on My Birthday to My Birthday Party

Earl sweatshirt i don’t care

Cleveland health villain era

This episode, Lou and Lenny are covering Iron Fist (1998), the second Wraith Squadron book and sixth in the X-Wing Series! As of this recording, Lou is a week out from their wisdom tooth removal. Lenny has thoughts and feelings about Myn Donos and technofascism, which are more related than one might think. They also ask the question, are Corellian men bad in bed?

Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos 

Music: Thomas Seibel

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Further Reading:

Hackers (1995)

Tosche Station Allston interview (2012)

It Could Happen Here (Network State)

The Modern Family Cookbook (1942)

Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management (1861)

Masculinity and the Making of American Judaism

While discussing Aaron Allston’s Wraith Squadron (1998) Lenny and Lou initially focus on the ethics and history of the use of bioweapons but at some point start playing smash or pass with Canadian Prime Ministers. Lenny gets serious about workplace rights and protections and reveals more about their day job than they probably should. The duo then discuss the diagnostic criteria for PTSD and how most internet trends can be linked to fascist propaganda. 

Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos 

Music: Thomas Seibel

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Further reading: 

To Sir Phillip, With Love- Julia Quinn

Republic Commando Series- Karen Traviss

Best and Worst Canadian prime ministers 1999

October Crisis

Tall Girl

#blackatBLS

On this episode of Interview With A Bothan, we become a layman’s tech podcast before covering Bacta War. Lou laments that they want another updated special edition of Star Wars: A New Hope while updating Lenny on the dire straits that is the SSD/HDD market. Lenny, on the other hand, is actually on task and has thoughts and feelings about Tycho’s teenage-like atheism. 

Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos 

Music: Thomas Seibel

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Further Reading:

Southern Enclave

BFI screening of Star Wars (1977)

Loveland Frog Man

Weird US

Star Wars Star Pilots - Chris Kempshall’s new book

The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives

PONIES

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy

A Displaced Wedding: Getting Married in a DP Camp (Yiddish Book Centre)

From Here to Eternity: Traveling the World to Find the Good Death by Caitlin Doughty

Marriage in the Danish fashion (More danico)

Ronald Reagan with the Mujahideen in the Oval Office: Photo and Video 

Mission Hill 

Lenny and Lou make it through an entire episode without mentioning WMDs or biological warfare! We’re covering The Krytos Trap (1996) this week. Lenny thinks that Corran Horn would learn a lot from watching the hit TV show, Loiter Squad and Lou needs everyone to know that the Star Wars Holiday Special is the most influential film of all time.

Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos 

Music: Thomas Seibel

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Further Reading: 

“Adding Insult to Injury: Uncovering the Ancient Origins of Epic Action Movie Quips” by Andrew McClellan in SciTech Daily 

Catchphrase Jones

2600 - The Hacker Quarterly  

Vikings (2013-2020)

Norse Sagas

Weird Medieval Guys - The Norman Conquest Part I

The Overcoat by Nikolai Gogol 

The Rise of the Raven (2024- )

 The Prosecutor and The Prey by Arkady Vaksberg (1990)

The Star Wars Holiday Special 

Lou and Lenny take front row seats to the covert-op to take Coruscant in Wedge’s Gamble (1996). Lenny is seemingly unaware that they are basically the same age as Corran Horn (25)   while complaining about his daddy issues and Lou just can't get over their dislike for him.  

Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos 

Music: Thomas Seibel

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Further Reading:

“I miss when the Internet was just Altavista and that little Star Wars Kid” – Veep, S04E03

The Star Wars Kid 

Shattered Glass (2003)

Becoming A Star Wars Fan in 2026 by Merphy Napier 

“We all want to be Obi Wan Kenobi” - Northern Exposure S03E05

ladygeekgirl.wordpress.com

“Hybrid” (Wookiepedia Article)

“The Shape of Water and Interspecies Love” in Big Issue

The Problem with Coruscant (Planet Cities Explained) by DemiLee 
Doxiadis, C. A. “Ecumenopolis.” Esketics 21, no. 123 (1966): 110–14.

Lou and Lenny tackle the first installment of the X-Wing series! Rogue Squadron (1996) follows the reformation of the iconic (in and out of universe) x-wing squadron during the early years of the New Republic. Lenny reveals that their opinions of Ahsoka have made them an enemy of the public and Lou can't stop calling Corran Horn ‘Corn,’ before they both analyze what it means to have ‘Harrison Ford rizz.’

Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos

Music: Thomas Seibel

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Further reading:

Wedge and Fake Wedge

Ewan McGregor seeing Star Wars for the first time

Flying Aces

Han Solo/Skywalker fandom beef

Discussing the leadup to Thrawn’s exile laid out in Timothy Zahn’s conclusion to The Ascendancy Trilogy, Lesser Evil (2021), as well as Thrawn and Thrass’s tragic backstory, Lou and Lenny get unusually emotional and reflect on memory and friendship. Lenny over-intellectualizes a one-off comment comparing Thrawn’s trajectory to Anakin’s. Lou explains the different forms of conspiratorial thinking, and the duo discuss their favourite conspiracy theories.

Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos 

Music: Thomas Seibel

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Further reading: 

Charted Courses and Collisions - marroniere_m

The Fog is Coming

2025 Guinea-Bissau coup d’état

Timothy Zahn and Aaron Allston discussing the (then potential) re-setting of SW canon

The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire - Chris Kempshall (2024)

Anakin has a Doctorate in Darth Plagueis the Wise Studies - Seals are Good

The Americans (2013-2018)

The Writer’s Journey: Mythic Structure for Writers  - Christopher Vogler (1992)

The Hero with A Thousand Faces  - Joseph Campbell (1949)

“Finland doesn’t exist” conspiracy 

“Marjorie Taylor Greene planted pipe bombs” conspiracy 

“JD Vance Killed the Pope” conspiracy 

The Question of Narrative in Contemporary Historical Theory - Hayden White (1984) 

Conspiracy and Sedition as Canadian Political Crimes - Peter Mackinnon (1977) 

A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America - Michael Barkun (2003)

The October Crisis

Lou and Lenny discuss the second installment of the Ascendancy Trilogy, Greater Good (2021) by Timothy Zahn. Chiss military culture prompts a discussion of girlbosses in the military, and the chafing of military and political interests through the lens of Chiss family drama. Lenny talks about the early study of religion in relation to how (what we know as) the Force appears in this book. Lou expounds on the merits of being a guy who knows guys. 

Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos 

Music: Thomas Seibel

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Further reading:

The Sacred and the Profane by Mircea Eliade (1957)

Patterns in Comparative Religion by Mircea Eliade (1949)

Das Heilige (The Idea of the Holy) by Rudolf Otto (1917)

Star Wars Gamer 5 (2000)

The Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire by Chris Kempshall (2024)

The Warriors (1979)

Letterkenny (2016-2023)

“I’m really proud to be from Ohio” - Joe Burrows

Just Like the Holodramas by Marroniere_m (2025)

Lenin’s Testament 

The Book of Job 

Lou and Lenny start the Ascendancy Trilogy! Chaos Rising (2020) follows Thrawn at the start of his military career where he shows his early affinity for pre-emptive strikes. Join Lou and Lenny as they meander through conversation topics as wide ranging as conditional familial bonds, the significance of flag rank, and the inherent intimacy of hand-to-hand combat. 

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Hosts: Lenny Apesos and Lou Laverty

Art: Lenny Apesos 

Music: Thomas Seibel

Further Reading: 

Anakin Has a Doctorate in Darth Plageius the Wise Studies 

“Arranged Marriages & Other Literary Tropes - LarissaFae - Star Wars - All Media Types [Archive of Our Own].”

“The Artist Is Present - Marroniere_m - Star Wars - All Media Types [Archive of Our Own].”

The NRSV Bible 

Begiato, Joanne. “Favouritism, Patronage and the ‘Family System’ in England, c.1700–1850.” English Historical Review 139, nos. 598–599 (2024): 801–29.

“Love Covered in Oil with Broken Wings - LarissaFae - Star Wars - All Media Types [Archive of Our Own].” 

Leaves of Grass

Nylan, Michael. “Confucian Piety and Individualism in Han China.” Journal of the American Oriental Society 116, no. 1 (1996): 1–27. https://doi.org/10.2307/606369.

The Romance of the Three Kingdoms (Wikipedia) 
Tzanelli, Rodanthi. The Cinematic Tourist: Explorations in Globalization, Culture and Resistance. 1st ed. Routledge, 2007.