In this conversation, Ian Mychal and Derrick Jones explore the multifaceted world of flow arts and the unique journey of Mae Ling, a professional dominatrix. The discussion delves into the significance of authenticity, the creation of safe spaces for self-exploration, and the transformative power of kink in personal growth. Mae Ling shares her insights on guiding clients through their desires, the importance of communication, and the ripple effects of their experiences in the broader context of life. The dialogue explores the transformative power of understanding one's relationship with shame, the journey of serving others, and the misconceptions surrounding the dominatrix profession.

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