In this conversational episode, Emma and Ava explore what it really means to “drop in” before any meaningful work, practice, or conversation. They unpack how embodiment shifts us from surface-level survival mode into deeper presence, clarity, and connection. Ava shares the moment she knew silent retreats would be her life’s work, and how her teaching evolved over time, from transcendence-focused awakening practices toward a more balanced approach that includes nervous system education, trauma awareness, and functional integration.

Together, they speak candidly about burnout, the dangers of “spiritual perfection” promises, and why some tools help in one season of life but fall short in another.

The episode also highlights the power of community and emotional safety, how being with others in a regulated, intentional space can create profound healing and belonging.

Chapter markers: 

The “drop in” and why it changes everything [00:00]

How Ava knew silent retreats were her path [00:10]

Awakening practices vs nervous system healing [00:18]

Burnout: what happened and what it taught her [00:27]

The “spiritual perfection” trap and one-size-fits-all promises [00:38]

Is Ava “channeling,” or is it skill + environment + group energy? [00:52]

Community, emotional safety, and why “sangha” matters [01:03]

Yin vs yang in business and living in regenerative mode [01:14]

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