Bryan and I were scheduled to go skiing prior to ICSJWG in Park City. With that squashed we decided to record a podcast instead. Bryan and I begin with what winning the Michael J. Assante Lifetime Achievement award meant to him. Then we discuss the challenge and methods in which an ICS product vendor tries to develop and deploy a secure solution.

We finish up with a discussion on engineers in OT & ICS security. Do they required cybersecurity training, & are they essential to securing OT/ICS.