84: Carlene Bauer talks about her novel, "Frances and Bernard," an epistolary collection inspired by the lives of Flannery O'Connor and Robert Lowell. The three writers discuss their relationship to catholicism; Bauer drew from her religious upbringing in writing Francis.

For the Poem of the Week, Benjamin Alire Saenz reads “First Love” by Edwin Rolfe, from his 1952 collection “First Love and Other Poems.”

And in this week’s Poetic License, Ben offers his reflections on the state of Western education.

Ben & Daniel talk with Carlene Bauer, author of “Frances and Bernard,” a novel told in letters inspired by the lives of Flannery O’Conner and Robert Lowell.