Chris Liberatore was St Kilda Football Club's national recruiting manager when the Saints took a flyer on a 2018 SANFL Premiership defender from North Adelaide - Callum Wilkie - in the 2018 AFL Rookie Draft.

Ahead of Cal's 150th consecutive game from debut, Chris tells us about his experiences scouting Cal and the decision to take a chance on the mature-aged accountant.

This episode is dedicated to the memory of the late, great Chris Toce.

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Thanks as always to the great Lloyd Spiegel for the use of his "OWTS" as our intro track!