Clemens Gadenstätter (born 1966) is an Austrian composer nowadays teaching at the University of Music and Performing Arts Graz. After studying the art of composing with such contemporary music icons as Helmut Lachenmann (b. 1935) and Erich Urbanner (b. 1936), the composer is extremely interested in the semiotics of music. This leads to a growing desire to create true contemporary music, not its simulacra, which is now rare. Ona Jarmalavičiūtė, a musicologist, talks about the roots of creativity and a wish to create a musical experience without labels.