This episode is my ~30 minute interview with DHS CISA Director Chris Krebs in the S4x20 Green Room.

It was actually the first time I've met or spoken with Chris. I found him to be frank, thoughtful and most importantly less constrained into bureaucratic speak than usual for someone at his level in government. We talk about the effective use of DHS's big megaphone, the status of information sharing, reaching out to small / medium critical infrastructure, the future of ICSJWG and more.