This week offers another conversation with Pastor Hans Hess. His evangelistic heart and academic mind come out in his comments. Hans believes the hope of winning people to Jesus directs him in each of his roles. His pastoral experience offers depth to his stories. Pastoring isn’t simple. Death of a spouse isn’t easy. Discerning God’s guidance isn’t always clear. Not all churches grow quickly. Not all gifted leaders can do what other leaders do. Some church doors close. Some people we love die. Hans hopes leaders will not give up. He believes the next step could be the step needed to take us where God wants us to go. He contends we don’t always need to change what we do because sometimes God’s timing is what brings change. Even when we don’t know what to do next or how to endure difficult seasons, God is with us.