In this month's episode, Jay Besemer and I talk about his recent book, Chelate, along with other topics, including: living with chronic illness, our relationship with nature, sci-fi, poetry comics, and time.

Books and things mentioned in this episode:

• Jay's Tumblr
• Samuel Delany's Babel-17
• Petra Kuppers' essay in Transgender Studies Quarterly
• Oliver Baez Bendorf's poetry comics
• Clover manga
• Bianca Stone's poetry comics
• Warren Craghead III's poetry comics

Theme Music is by Bahati Kiro

Music throughout is by Chris Zorn

Transcripts forthcoming from Amir Rabiyah

The Sound of Waves Breaking is the ambient noise of Terok Nor from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.