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* <a href="http://2016.midwestphp.org/" target="_blank">Recorded live at Midwest PHP 2016</a> 
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 Show Notes 
* <a href="http://2016.midwestphp.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Recorded live at Midwest PHP 2016</a> 
* <a href="http://www.meetup.com/PDX-PHP/" rel="noopener noreferrer">PortlandPHP</a> 
 
 
 
 
 
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