After some shared commiserations on the likelihood of the Jobs for Families reforms becoming law this week, we go to an interview Liam conducted at Parliament House with Labor's Early Education Shadow Minister Kate Ellis MP. Kate was incredibly generous with her time on what turned into a very, very busy day! She discusses her legacy in early education politics, problems with the Government's planned reforms and what advocates for children should be focused on.

Get the full shownotes at earlyeducationshow.com.