In this episode, John and Jason sit down with Dr. Larry Chapp, a retired theology professor and the current owner and manager of the Dorothy Day Catholic Worker Farm near Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Larry shares his fascinating background—from growing up as a "nerdy" fireman's son and a "fire-breathing atheist" in Lincoln, Nebraska, to becoming a prominent theologian specializing in Hans Urs von Balthasar.

The conversation dives into Larry's midlife discernment to leave a successful 20-year academic career at DeSales University to literally "walk the walk" of Dorothy Day and Peter Maurin by starting a farm. Larry helps clear up common misconceptions about the Catholic Worker movement, explaining Dorothy Day's deep orthodox faith, her nuanced critique of capitalism, and why the movement is often mistakenly categorized as purely leftist. The guys also explore the differences between urban houses of hospitality and rural agronomic farms, how to become a "YouTube farmer," and wrap up with book and guest recommendations.