Hi all

After doing an interview with my friend, another person was interested in talking to me about alcoholism.

It's another long conversation, and there's a big sound jump after about 8 minutes because we had some tech problems.  Sorry for the lack of professional editing.

I decided to keep the whole conversation unedited, so you can get the whole thing, rather than just snippets.

Thank you Lukas for coming onto the show, and sharing part of your life story with so much openness and humility.  I really enjoyed the conversation and still am so interested in our ideas of what an alcoholic really is and whether or when it's time to stop drinking.

Looking forward to your feedback.