Continuing our conversation on grace, please enjoy this interview with Michael McRay and Rev. Jeannie Alexander, as we discuss the prison system.

Michael T. McRay is a writer, facilitator, and story-practitioner living in Nashville, Tennessee. He's the author of multiple books, including I Am Not Your Enemy: Stories to Transform a Divided World (Herald Press, 2020).

Rev. Jeannie Alexander is the director of No Exceptions Prison Collective. She is also a co-founding resident of Harriet Tubman House, an interfaith community dedicated to restorative practices in earth stewardship and human rights.