In this episode, Matthew talks to Professor of Education and Social Justice at The University of Birmingham - Professor Kalwant Bhopal. Kalwant's research looks at issues of race, racism, gender, class, inequalities, social Justice and equity. The discussion focusses on Kalwant's book - White Privilege: The Myth of a Post-Racial Society and considers what whiteness actually means and also how education statistics in relation to race do not always tell the full story.