It's great to have my friend Rob Lee back on the podcast. Rob and I discuss: 4:00 Dragos at 10 years old, the OT detection market, and will there be another OT market segment valued at over $1B. 24:34 What's new in the 2026 Dragos Year In Review Report. 33:06 The dichotomy between the high level threat identified in reports by Dragos and others and the low level of publicly acknowledged impactful attacks (outside of ransomware). 45:30 Ransomware ... 3300 cases on industrial organizations and is any of it bypassing IT and going after OT? 49:48 Back to the level of incidents, what can Rob and Dale agree on? 1:01:22 Integration of products like Dragos with other OT and IT information sources.