This episode begins with a 10 minute monologue from Dale Peterson on why demonstrations of insecure by design, no SDL and modifying physical processes is not particularly interesting for the advanced ICS security audience ... and why it is still important.

Then we play Dale Peterson's interview with Steve Bitar of ExxonMobil on the Open Process Automation (OPA) initiative. If the OPA is new to you, you will learn what it is. Then asks Steve the tough questions.