On this episode of the Utterly Moderate Podcast, Lawrence and Ali interview conservative political commentator, nationally syndicated columnist, and Bulwark policy editor and podcaster Mona Charen. Their discussion covers the work of the Bulwark, the problems of misinformation and disinformation, the meaning of conservatism, the decline in decency, extreme partisanship, the “Big Lie” and its disastrous consequences, the health of American democracy, Charen’s take of the Biden administration’s performance to this point, her book Sex Matters, hate mail, whether dogs or cats are better, and more!

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