This is the second episode of Tracy and Chris enjoying their conversation with Tony Vismor, pastor of Grace Fellowship Church. Pastor Tony again offers powerful truth in practical ways. This present crisis is much more complicated than most expected—even leaders. Pastor Tony voices key points which helped him lead during this season of uncertainty, resistance, and confusion. Practical processes like the rhythms of life are needed so leaders can bring consistency during seasons of change. Instead of letting the frustration control us, leaders can leverage new structure to help them learn more, live well, and lead better. How can we take advantage of what’s been given us instead of living with a victim mentality? Hear Pastor Tony and take practical steps to bring stability during a season of instability.