Paul is a professor and lecturer dedicated to the preservation of Turkish carpets and rugs. His conservation work has made him an expert in the history of their patterns which tell stories that have been passed on from generation to generation.

Olivia Cummings, founder of jewellery brand Cleopatra's Bling, talked to Paul about the meaning behind certain recurring motifs, how carpet-making traditions have been passed on from generation to generation and how they’re being preserved today.

Cleopatra's Bling Podcast was produced by Studio Ochenta, a Paris-based podcast studio dedicated to raising voices across cultures through international podcasts.